Adam Proteau: Canucks, Stars have big questions that won't be answered for months The off-season is a time for decompression, but even with a flurry of moves made so far this summer, there are questions teams face that won't be answered until well after the 2016-17 regular season begins.

Careful not to say stuff like this in the Nucks thread or you will be labelled a troll for life and earn a lengthy ban after some triggered fans cry to the refs.

As apprehensive as I am going in to this season as a fan, I can't figure out why the Canucks are taking so much flak from fans from the rest of the league. Is it just residue hate from our years of success (ish)?

To address some of your points, if our top 4 on d includes sbisa as the deafacto #3, were bound to leak just as many goals as last year. As hard as it is to loose mccann (a late first rounder..but one of my favorite prospects. The it is what it is comment ), we ) we needed to round out that top 4. Guddys got great pedigree and spent the last couple seasons learning from a premier defensive d and one of the great character guys around in the nhl in Mitchell. I think we win this deal based on the fact that a solid d core will get you way further than a strong group of forwards.

Erikksons term is a bit long but we give nothing but cap space for him. It's still a results fueled industry, and the game erikkson brings is exactly what we love in van..a bit of flash, strong on the back check..and swedish.

We're obviously not a contender at the moment, but considering what benning was handed (aging team full of ntm's right against the cap) I don't know what more we could possibly expect?

So many teams in worse condition yet we seem to be laughing stock of the league? I don't get it. Not too concerned..haters gonna hate..but why is the Canucks woes worth a whole blog post when a whole bunch of teams have way more shyt on their plates? Who's next Adam?

Edit:sorry for the novel, don't get many chances to post from Singapore

Flagged Ron, Canucks fans are everywhere

The truth be told - I have come to the conclusion that the Vancouver Canucks organization is doing everything it can to handle its veterans (excepting Dan Hamhuis being gone) with respect and keep a viable team on the ice.

Chuckles are unavoidable when I see the Edmonton / Torontonian philosophy advertised everywhere : The only choice is to trade away veterans and stockpile draft picks in a long term rebuild.

(A.) No fan in Vancouver will financially tolerate 10 plus years of loosing as the Edmonton and Toronto fan bases have been accustomed to. (B.) We have two Hall of Famers with the last name Sedin still playing ... we will NOT be pulling a Mats Sundin approach here... (C.) The Detroit model of smart drafting (We have perhaps the best draft savvy GM in the NHL in Jim Benning ) and always aiming to be a playoff contender is the target here.

Total rebuilds by gutting a team are NOT a guarantee of a Stanley Cup and there are other viable ways to be a cup contender. Looking at the drafted players in the Vancouver system and the team which will take the ice in 2016 / 17 ... I will take Vancouver over Edmonton and their horse shoes or Toronto and their 12+ years of misery any day.

The truth be told - I have come to the conclusion that the Vancouver Canucks organization is doing everything it can to handle its veterans (excepting Dan Hamhuis being gone) with respect and keep a viable team on the ice.

Chuckles are unavoidable when I see the Edmonton / Torontonian philosophy advertised everywhere : The only choice is to trade away veterans and stockpile draft picks in a long term rebuild.

(A.) No fan in Vancouver will financially tolerate 10 plus years of loosing as the Edmonton and Toronto fan bases have been accustomed to. (B.) We have two Hall of Famers with the last name Sedin still playing ... we will NOT be pulling a Mats Sundin approach here... (C.) The Detroit model of smart drafting (We have perhaps the best draft savvy GM in the NHL in Jim Benning ) and always aiming to be a playoff contender is the target here.

Total rebuilds by gutting a team are NOT a guarantee of a Stanley Cup and there are other viable ways to be a cup contender. Looking at the drafted players in the Vancouver system and the team which will take the ice in 2016 / 17 ... I will take Vancouver over Edmonton and their horse shoes or Toronto and their 12+ years of misery any day.
- deanofnucks

- The Detroit model has been irrelevant for almost 10 years now. Look at Ken Holland and the team now. Drafting has been subpar in the post-salary cap era. He's handing out contracts to 28+ 3rdliners like candy
- The Chicago and Pittsburgh models tho...

Flagged Ron, Canucks fans are everywhere
- CanuckDon

Knew I could count on you.

- The Detroit model has been irrelevant for almost 10 years now. Look at Ken Holland and the team now. Drafting has been subpar in the post-salary cap era. He's handing out contracts to 28+ 3rdliners like candy
- The Chicago and Pittsburgh models tho...
- DeflatedPucks

It's true the past 5 years haven't had as much success for Detroit ... but they are still stockpiled with good prospects without having the benefit of drafting in the top 10 every year. But looking back over these 7 years :

2009–10 102pts
2010–11 104pts
2011–12 102pts
2012–13 115pts
2013–14 93pts
2014–15 100pts
2015–16 93pts

I would be pretty happy with these resulting points per season buddy. As far as the playoffs go : that's a different discussion ... Pittsburgh and Chicago are vastly different worlds ... Pittsburgh falls into the horseshoes in the nether region category for getting Crosby in the lottery draft after sucking for years. Chicago plain sucked for over a decade under owner Wirtz Senior before getting another fine group of Canadian juniors in Toews - Seabrook - and Keith.

The truth be told - I have come to the conclusion that the Vancouver Canucks organization is doing everything it can to handle its veterans (excepting Dan Hamhuis being gone) with respect and keep a viable team on the ice.

Chuckles are unavoidable when I see the Edmonton / Torontonian philosophy advertised everywhere : The only choice is to trade away veterans and stockpile draft picks in a long term rebuild.

(A.) No fan in Vancouver will financially tolerate 10 plus years of loosing as the Edmonton and Toronto fan bases have been accustomed to. (B.) We have two Hall of Famers with the last name Sedin still playing ... we will NOT be pulling a Mats Sundin approach here... (C.) The Detroit model of smart drafting (We have perhaps the best draft savvy GM in the NHL in Jim Benning ) and always aiming to be a playoff contender is the target here.

Total rebuilds by gutting a team are NOT a guarantee of a Stanley Cup and there are other viable ways to be a cup contender. Looking at the drafted players in the Vancouver system and the team which will take the ice in 2016 / 17 ... I will take Vancouver over Edmonton and their horse shoes or Toronto and their 12+ years of misery any day.
- deanofnucks

So Canuck fans won't tolerate a rebuild, but they'll be cool with a decade of mediocrity? At least with a rebuild, you can always have some long-term hope.

So Canuck fans won't tolerate a rebuild, but they'll be cool with a decade of mediocrity? At least with a rebuild, you can always have some long-term hope.
- Nucker101

Not that I have a hate on with Flyer fans - but ... who said anything about mediocrity? The Canucks are steadily improving the talent pool and have 4 of the best prospects in the NHL farm systems right now. Far better than what I would suggest Philadelphia has and being only 5 years removed from a finals appearance I see the club being less than that at returning. Nonetheless the sweetest truth is always the one the majority of haters don't see coming until it's there (like 2011) and then they all disappear or deny having said a contradictory word.

"Long Term Hope" : This is a dice roll with no better chances at a championship than rebuilding on the fly. Detroit has had good drafting and never that I recall in 20 years drafted in the top 5 ... I like their mediocrity just fine thanks. You can keep rebuilds : media hogwash.

"Tricks are for fans NOT Trolls"

Not that I have a hate on with Flyer fans - but ... who said anything about mediocrity? The Canucks are steadily improving the talent pool and have 4 of the best prospects in the NHL farm systems right now. Far better than what I would suggest Philadelphia has and being only 5 years removed from a finals appearance I see the club being less than that at returning. Nonetheless the sweetest truth is always the one the majority of haters don't see coming until it's there (like 2011) and then they all disappear or deny having said a contradictory word.

"Long Term Hope" : This is a dice roll with no better chances at a championship than rebuilding on the fly. Detroit has had good drafting and never that I recall in 20 years drafted in the top 5 ... I like their mediocrity just fine thanks. You can keep rebuilds : media hogwash.
- deanofnucks

Come on, this has nothing to do with the Flyers. We're talking about the Canucks.

Who are these 4 of the best prospects in the NHL? Demko, Boeser and Juolevi I'll give you since I think they'd make everyone's top 50 prospects lists.

It's the lack of depth that's sad, teams like the Leafs/Flames/Jets/Ducks/Isles have decent prospects that fill their top 15. It gets pretty bare for the Canucks once you get past the top 5 or 6. They need to stop trading away picks/prospects and look to add more. And signing guys like Loui Eriksson and Ryan Miller to keep the team finishing 9th or 10th in the West instead of 13th or 14th iare basically similar moves that made the Flames a joke under Jay Feaster and the Leafs a joke under Nonis.

And yes, Detroit does have good drafting/scouting/development. But that's a much harder path to try and replicate. The Canucks are trying to do the near impossible which is trying to make the playoffs while rebuilding and being a cap ceiling team.

Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers

Location: Das It Mane

Come on, this has nothing to do with the Flyers. We're talking about the Canucks.

I'm smelling a troll. "Harder path to try and replicate" So nobody better try to do the same right?

Everyone has an opinion ..mine is different from yours. Bygones is the best we can hope for.

If you want to believe the Toronto and Edmonton fans and every other team rebuilding from scratch is better off than the Canucks with their defence right now : their prospects right now : their goal tending right now : and the sophomores in their lineup right now then I think you're dead wrong.

2016 - 17 is going to be a fun season in Vancouver. :

Nucker101
Philadelphia Flyers

Location: Das It Mane




I'm smelling a troll. "Harder path to try and replicate" So nobody better try to do the same right?

Everyone has an opinion ..mine is different from yours. Bygones is the best we can hope for.

If you want to believe the Toronto and Edmonton fans and every other team rebuilding from scratch is better off than the Canucks with their defence right now : their prospects right now : their goal tending right now : and the sophomores in their lineup right now then I think you're dead wrong.

2016 - 17 is going to be a fun season in Vancouver. :
- deanofnucks

I admire your optimism and hope you're right. But I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

I admire your optimism and hope you're right. But I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel.
- Nucker101

....Hands Nucker101 a pair of authentic Canucks rose colored sunglasses

p.s. 2016-17 year end stats forecast...
B Horvat 55 pts (20 goals)
S Baertschi 48 pts (18 goals)
L Eriksson 72 pts (34 goals)
D Sedin 78 pts (38 goals)
H Sedin 83 pts (60 assists)
B Sutter 45 pts : (+25)
J Virtanen 39 pts : (150 hits +15)
E Gudbranson 35 pts (200 hits +25)
R Miller (28w : 2.45 gav : 94 svp)
J Markstrom (25 w : 2.15 gav : 92 svp)
Canucks make it to 2nd round in playoffs

How's that for optimism?

....Hands Nucker101 a pair of authentic Canucks rose colored sunglasses

p.s. 2016-17 year end stats forecast...
B Horvat 55 pts (20 goals)
S Baertschi 48 pts (18 goals)
L Eriksson 72 pts (34 goals)
D Sedin 78 pts (38 goals)
H Sedin 83 pts (60 assists)
B Sutter 45 pts : (+25)
J Virtanen 39 pts : (150 hits +15)
E Gudbranson 35 pts (200 hits +25)
R Miller (28w : 2.45 gav : 94 svp)
J Markstrom (25 w : 2.15 gav : 92 svp)
Canucks make it to 2nd round in playoffs

How's that for optimism?
- deanofnucks

Delusional more like it...
But hope reigns supreme. I don't think the Flames make the playoffs and I believe we have a better roster.